Wednesday, January 16, 2008

UnHoly way of Holy Chritians


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Unholy ways of Holy Missionaries
- U. Mahesh Prabhu, ivarta blog
1/14/2008

On December 25th when the whole world was celebrating the birth of the Jesus Christ, churches were burning in Gujarat. As per confirmed estimates 11 churches had been burnt. On December 27th Religious leaders in the national capital expressed their anguish over the continuing attacks on the churches in Orissa, saying violence in any form in unacceptable.

But something that which really bothered me was one of the statements, by Swami Shantatmanand – Secretary of Ramakrishna Mission in New Delhi – published in Indian Express that which read ‘Hinduism teaches us to respect and acknowledge the validity of all other religion.’ I am yet to understand as to why was he saying so? Or what made him to make that statement? Is he trying to portray that some Hindus had done those deeds? But how can you say without investigation is complete and report is out?

Reports do say that the attacks on Churches had begun on Christmas after assault on a VHP leader and until today 11 Churches and prayer houses were ransacked and torched by ‘suspected saffron activists’ in several areas of Kandhamal districts in Orissa.

But who attacked the VHP leader? It isn’t clear. Overall for many people the situation may just look, as if, ‘VHP people had attacked in response to the assault on their leader’. That’s simply not it. But, there is more to it.

Recently I happened to read Edward Gibbons ‘Decline and Fall of Roman Empire’. In the book he makes observation on early Christians and their tactics for conversion. Here he quotes a Roman proconsul who wrote that Christians have a very effective method of getting noticed and portraying themselves as ‘Victims’ in order to advance their cause.

Whenever, a minute transgression or even an attempt is made to implement law against them they make such a fuss and in such a rowdy manner that one would think that a ‘great injustice’ had been committed to them.

Christianity does not have a notable reputation for tolerance and respect for other religions. ‘The Christian need to convert the entire world’ has been an historical obsession that continues in major Christian fundamentalist groups even today, both Protestant and Catholic.

The Christian Missionary’s failure to honor other religions, particularly non-biblical traditions, is well known, with Christians still denigrating the sophisticated yogic traditions of Asia as mere superstition, idolatry and polytheism. Christian missionaries have had a reputation for using methods to promote conversion that are not always honest, including employing military and political force during the colonial era.

Their targeting of the poor and illiterate for conversion shows that they don’t like open debates in the light of the day. Yet Christians like to ignore such inconvenient facts while posing as peaceful people concerned with human welfare, not with conversion. They are surprised if members of other religion are suspicious of them, even if they look at these religions and condemn them as works of the Devil. They feel easily hurt and insulted should anyone question their motives.

In the modern secular world, Christians along with Muslims, now demand conversion as a democratic right, even though their religion is authoritarian, and not democratic, accepting only one way, and not honoring pluralism in approaching the Divine.

They offer no freedom of choice about the ‘savior’ or the book or the creed that can bring salvation and there is little tolerance for those who choose another way outside their faith.

Europe had to reject the church and Christian dogma in order to become democratic over the past several centuries, considering this; Christian churches are the last people on earth who should be talking about ‘democratic rights’. It is merely a smokescreen for promoting their own agendas, spreading their authoritarian and exclusivist beliefs, recklessly eliminating other cultures and religions along the way.

Years before there were serial church bombings in South India. It proved that the charges made by Christian leaders against Hindu organizations for the bombings were unfounded, if not malicious. However instead of admitting their mistake Christian leaders and organizations started a propaganda campaign, again blaming the Hindu organizations for ‘creating an atmosphere’ that led to these crimes! The arrests in this regard, in Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, had shown that Deendal Anjuman, a Muslim organization led by a Pakistani National was behind most of the bomb blasts and attacks on Christian groups in South India.

The Christian response has been to ignore or deny the report, though it is quite well documented and occurred in states of Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, not ruled by the so called ‘Hindu BJP’. For further details, I suggest you to, read ‘Church Blasts: Truth and Propaganda’ by S Y Seshagiri Rao.

Christians in India, who exaggerate such minor incidents into a National or International anti-Hindu propaganda, somehow never speak of the fact that ‘More churches have been burnt in America in recent years than in India. Several dozen black American churches were burnt to the ground. Christian priests and ministers are also robbed, assaulted and sometimes killed in all Western countries in numbers not unlike what occurs in India.

We should note that many more priests in America have been arrested for sexual molestation of children than have priests been assaulted in India. Should we use that to make conclusions about the nature of Christianity?
Did you know the fact that many more pagans were killed by Christians, and thousands of pagan temples were destroyed throughout Europe? The great Greek (Neo Platonic) Academy in Alexandria was destroyed and its scholars like Hypatia killed by Cyril – ‘Saint Cyril’.

The number of Native Americans killed or forcibly converted by Catholics was also in the many millions, and yet the Catholics emphasize a few priests martyred by Native Americans as being the real victims. Such and more are stories of ‘Christian Oppression’.

Hinduism is a religion of openness. We appreciate all gods and deities. We have never said that we are the ‘only way’ like many of the Semitic faiths. We have no problems acknowledging greatness of Allah, Jehovah or Jesus. We have done that many a times. Didn’t we? But Christian missionaries have, instead, used it as a pretext to promote Christian superiority, not to reciprocate with honoring Hinduism and its sages and yogis.

They say Christ must be great because Hindus honor him. They don’t honor Hindu teachers in return. The hypocrisy of the whole thing is easy to see.

It shows the condescending attitude towards Hindus, thinking that they can bully them or appeal to their tolerance by a feigned persecution. It wholly proves that Christians Missionaries are still promoting a medieval religion that will not honor other religions and is still seeking world domination by any means fair or foul.

If we count the victims of Christian aggression on one side and the Christian themselves who have been victimized we will find that the victims of Christianity are overwhelming in the majority.

  • While some Christians have apologized to African and Native American groups for such missionary misdeeds, the Hindus have so far not received any such apology, though they have suffered from the same methods.

    The reason is that the missionaries have not yet triumphed in India. The apology, like crocodile tears, comes only after the victim is dead.
    I would trust those missionaries only if they say that Hinduism,
  • Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism and other Indian religions are as good as Christianity. Let Christians say clearly that members of other religions will not go to hell but will gain immortality in the presence of God by following what is good in their own teachings.

    Writes David Frawley ‘As a former Catholic I know in what little esteem the Church holds Hinduism and Buddhism with all their great sages and yogis. Christianity, like Islam, sees tolerance not as a virtue to be emulated but as a weakness to be exploited. Were Christians really to honor Hinduism as a valid religion all Hindu-Christian hostility could easily come to an end.
  • As long as Christians hold that their alone is the True Faith and are working to convert the members of other religion in one way or another, they should not be surprised if members of other religions do not welcome their presence.’ In his book ‘The Missionary Ploy.’

    It is only a matter of time before Missionary Christianity is seen for what is imperialism in the name of God and Christ, the proverbial wolf in the sheep’s clothing. It is a political, worldly movement with little spirituality in it. Unfortunately such Christians confuse the real Divine work, which is improving us through introspection, with the institutional work of imposing a single belief upon all humanity.

    This political view of religion has no place in global age of consciousness that is dawning in enlightened minds all over the world today. The quicker it comes to an end, the better it will be for all of humanity.
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Poor Modi --Pooer Hindus

  1. From: setlurbadri
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    Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:38 AM
    Subject: [prohindu] Poor Modi - Poorer Hindus

    POOR MODI – POORER HINDUS It does not surprise me if the Christists and Islamists target the Hindus.
  2. They are just doing what their religious dogmas prescribe. And worse, order them to do. Hindus targeting Hindus has ceased to surprise me because of the extensive abuse of the enormous freedom our religion gives us.
  3. If the former has to be fought tooth and nail, the latter is something we should not learn to live comfortably with. Satya Himsa Tathaiva Ca.
  4. Adharma in any form should be dealt with the righteousness of a Srotriya and the parakrama of a Kshatriya, in the larger interest of upholding our Dharma.Our Acharyas are the Pratikas of our Pantheon of Gods.
  5. Guru Bramha, Gurur Vishnu, Gurudevo Maheshwaraha, Guru Sakshat Parabramha, Tasmaisree Gurave Namaha.Learnt in our early child hood, the Guru is the embodiment of our Gods and Goddesses. And to Guru, we perform our SaranAgati. And to His lotus feet that we consign ourselves at the end of this arduous journey through life.
  6. When such a worshipful Guru is insulted, we have conveniently learnt how to comfortably go through various motions of life, as though nothing has happened. And when He is insulted a second time, we gleefully accept it with a happy Pongal.When our own Hindus are the offenders of such grievous Guru Droham, we shamelessly allow them to an alliance with us.
  7. And award them a fresh lease of political life to target our Dharma and our hoary Institutions, yet again.By arresting the Pujya Acharyas on the eve of the Diwali, Jayalalithaa sought to prove her secular credentials. '
  8. That she lost the subsequent election is not an equal punishment to her assault on Hindus. God must have surely reserved a more deserving punishment.
  9. By meeting Jayalalithaa on the eve of Pongal, more significantly dumping the visit to the Acharyas, Modi and the BJP have now proved their secular credentials. This Guru Droham is their passport to secularism. A passport that will not get the Visa stamped by the Hindu Bhaktas.
  10. That Jaya, Modi and the BJP chose to insult Hindu Bhaktas and Hindu Institutions like the revered Acharyas on the eve of two significant Hindu festivals is no sheer coincidence.The Diwali Lehiyam, which should taste bitter turned sweet. The Diwali sweets turned sour.
  11. The Sweet Pongal tastes bitter today.It was Happy Diwali in 2004. Now, Happy Pongal in 2008. Happy for whom?For Modi and the BJP who feasted on a 45 item lunch, that started off ironically with the Sweet Pongal?For the secular press-congi- commie-athiest bandwagon that constitute the UPA?Hindus like me are never seriously worried about what the latter think of our religion, for we can deal with the known enemies.
  12. But how do we deal with the enemies from within? How do we deal with the advisors of Modi and the BJP think-tank stalwarts, who we have so religiously considered as our friends and pinned so much hope on?
  13. How can the Sangha Parivar turn a Dritarashra on what has just happened on the eve of the Pongal?Does the BJP have the right to claim Hindu votes any more? How can it do an act of a chameleon to fall at the feet of the lady who chose to insult one of Adi Sankara's Mathams and His successors?If this is a trailer of things to come, I shudder to think what would happen to Hindus and Hindu Institutions should they be given power at Delhi. I
  14. t is easier to fight a christist government, than to defend ourselves from the Hindu pretenders alias Hindu predators.
  15. What is the guarantee that this would not give Jaya, the fresh lease of political life to start persecuting the Acharyas if she comes to power again? And hound other Acharyas with renewed hunger? Can anyone be so confident of this unstable lady that she would not threaten to pull out of the alliance if she is not allowed her ways with inflicting wanton injury on Hindu Institutions and its persona?
  16. Does one congratulatory note to Modi, a lavish luncheon spread with him and a support to Rama Sethu absolve her of the Guru Droham that she did on Kanchi?Can the VHP and the BJP assure the Hindus that her support for the Ram Sethu is not simply motivated because of Karunanidhi' s opposition to it?Is she a reliable ally?
  17. Does her earlier behavior support this? Is her support to Rama Sethu an adequate prayaschitha for her assault on Hindu Acharyas, the very pratiksas of our Hindu Dharma?Are we to believe the BJP is naïve, plain stupid or extremely arrogant and totally insensitive to Hindu sentiments and its 100% Hindu voters?If Modi's body language showed his discomfiture in the presence of the vain lady,
  18. Ravi Shankar Prasad looked like a school boy who was handed out his first 45 item spread. Beaming from ear to ear, he gushed at the menu like someone starved of food for generations. Will a 48 item dinner from some other political party make him reconsider his current position?To the large section of devout Hindus, the Chennai visit has not done any good to Modi's image. He has allowed his confidants to inflict a blemish on his carefully nourished righteousness. The source of this rich nourishment at the Poes Garden has led to strong indigestion to many of his earlier supporters, I included.This is certainly a blemish on Modi. Those who advised him and organized this have achieved their goal. He was advised NOT to meet the Acharyas. "She will not like that", they told him. "She will NOT receive him properly if he visits the Acharyas", they added. And the Kanchi was struck off his itinerary. Fight terrorism with all your might, Modi. We are with you. Not allying with those who unleash terrorism on Hindu Gurus and Hindu Institutions.
  19. BJP has already started its election mode in Tamil Nadu. Preserving every ounce of energy for repeated prostrations at the feet of Lalitha. Are we getting ready to be transported back to the blackmailing days of the Lalitha, Samata and Mamata?It must have been a Happy Pongal for the select few who organized his visit to meet Lalitha and advised him NOT to pay his obeisance to the Acharyas. These are the select few who are enemies of the Hindus from within. They have succeeded in taking some sheen off Modi. And now they must be enjoying their sweet Pongal. Poor Modi.And poorer Hindus who pinned hopes on him.

Gujrat And Now INDIA

Subject: Gujarat mirrors India


Gujarat mirrors India

Prafull Goradia


There is a slow but steady crystallisation of Hindu identity, thanks to a perverse form of secularism being practised in the countryIn a recent article on the Gujarat Assembly election, Mr Ramaswamy R Iyer has let the cat out of the bag.

He writes, "What should worry us, then, is not whether Mr Modi is a demon, but the change in the Gujarati psyche. What has happened to Gujarat? Is it still redeemable?

The post-Godhra violence of 2002 is not a matter of deep concern. Even if the allegation that the arson, loot and killing were state-sponsored is true, it matters less. What matters most is the change in the Gujarati psyche!

The resentment against Muslim conquerors is as old as the conquest of Patan by Muzaffar Shah in 1391 and the establishment of Ahmedabad at the site of Karnavati by Ahmed Shah in 1411. The deprivation of Junagadh from the Kshatriya Chudasamas by Bahadur Shah in 1610 was another upsetting event.

As recently as 1989, I had travelled in a bus in Ahmedabad when my fellow traveller asked for a ticket to Pakistan. He meant Jamalpur.


  1. Over the years, I have heard again and again how in localities like Kalupur and Dariapur, Hindu families have vacated their flats because Muslim neighbours cooked meat and fish. How the neighbours' sons whistled at their daughters. The families sold their flats at, say, Rs 4,000 a square yard, whereas they had to pay Rs 12,000 for their new residence in, say, the Satellite area. This expensive residence cleansing was at the back of middle class women helping their menfolk in the 2002 violence.

    In 1969, Ahmedabad had witnessed a much bigger riot which lasted for weeks together. Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan had to be invited from Pakistan to calm public anger at the time.

    The year 1985 saw a long lingering riot which eventually cost Mr Madhavsinh Solanki his chief ministership. But prima facie, none of these cataclysms changed the Gujarati psyche. The age-old hypocrisy continued to adorn Hindu lips. However misguided some Muslims might be, they are our brethren. Most of them are of our own common blood. They are less educated. Many of them are poor and backward. Hindus in influential positions do not give them jobs. Political parties exploit them for their electoral advantage. Muslims should, therefore, be helped rather than blamed. So went conversations except in very private when bitterness was allowed to spew. Otherwise, politically as well as socially, it was correct to sound secular.

    As a child, I had overheard an aunt of mine, in exasperated anger, call her husband Nadir Shah, although she wore khadi and was in society a paragon of Gandhian samabhav. This is despite Mahatma Gandhi writing in his journal -- Young India, Collected Works -- that every Hindu is a coward while every Muslim is a bully.

    Gandhi had set the pace with his taking over the leadership of the Khilafat movement in 1919. His motive was to befriend Muslims. Two leading maulanas, Muhamm-ed Ali and Shaukat Ali, were particularly determined to retain the Sultan of Turkey on his throne and in his Caliphate. After World War I, the British were keen on abolishing the Sultanate and as was Mustafa Kemal Pasha on ending the Caliphate. The Maulana-Mahatma agenda was so dreadfully communal that even Mohammed Ali Jinnah was opposed to it.

    The Moplah riots were the direct result of the Khilafat movement. The official reports of the time stated that the main brunt of Moplah ferocity was borne by Hindus.
  2. They were massacred by the thousand, forcibly converted to Islam and their women were raped and killed.

    The reaction of Gandhi to those atrocities was shocking. He described the Moplahs as "brave god-fearing fighting for what they consider as religion and in a manner which they consider as religious".

    The era of Ishwar Allah tero naam and sarva dharma samabhav was inaugurated by Gandhi.

  • The Mahatma's samabhav, which was succeeded by Jawaharlal Nehru's secularism, rose to extraordinary heights.
  • An example was the murder of Swami Shradhananda in 1926 by one Abdul Rashid.
  • The murderer's defence counsel was Nehru's friend and Congressman Asaf Ali. The accused was sentenced to death and hanged.
  • Gandhi's comment was "I have called Abdul Rashid a brother,... I do not even regard him as guilty of Swami's murder". Most Hindus are still in the grip of this 'secular' samabhav, which explains why within decades after Partition, self-styled secularists are creating conditions for another vivisection of the country.

    Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has boldly declared "Muslims First". India is a crypto-Muslim's paradise, be he a secularist, a Leftist or a Communist.

    After the 2002 Assembly election, fears began to gather that some Hindus, especially in Gujarat, had begun to break out from the chains of 'secular' samabhav and come into their own. The ripples of change also began to reach Hindus living outside Gujarat.

    In 2004, at the Calcutta Club there was a seminar with four speakers.
  • Mr Narendra Modi, after speaking in Hindi on a Uniform Civil Code, received a roaring applause.
  • The growing anxiety of crypto-Muslims was reflected in the media more and more.
  • The demonisation of Mr Modi increased as the 2007 election neared. Little did the detractors realise that with every attack, the polarisation in his favour would be solidified harder.